Professor Brianna Caza, an organizational psychologist at the University of Manitoba has studied early stage founders to find what helps them avoid ‘creeping strain’ and maintain high performance at their work — in a word, thrive. Her findings, published in Harvard Business Review and academic journals may seem counterintuitive, yet her research shows clearly that founders have the ability to create simple management techniques that preserve their own energy and passion, even in the most turbulent times in their startups. Hear how she describes her findings and tips to Gillian and Anne. Bonus discussion: women receive a great deal of pressure from society at large and individuals closest to them about what they SHOULD want, do, and be. Instead,women need to determine what gives them joy and energy and what they need to make that possible.