The sudden appearance of DeepSeek, an AI developed in China at a micro-fraction of the costs of American AIs has driven conversation this week as its very existence drove down the valuations of the techogiants who thought they had the lock on development of AI models. Gavin Klondike, our resident AI expert, joins us to explain the 5Ws (who, what, where, when, and how) of DeepSeek. We also dive into the Verge's clickbaity treatment of clickbait SEO, the sub-Reddit Revolution as links from X get banned by many Mods, more WP-Drama as cleverly outlined in a Roger Montii piece, more on AI Overviews, and well, much much more. A longer but way more in-depth episode with a great interview to open it.